What is an emo kid?
An emo kid is a species of primate native to the suburbs of the United States of America. No matter how good he/she has it in life he or she will find something to bitch about and they are completely selfish and clueless as to what else is going on in the world. They are clueless to the fact that 99.9% of the world does not have it as good as they do.
You have children in Uganda dealing with slavery and being forced to fight for a cause they dont believe in.
You got childrin in Darfur dealing with MASS GENOCIDE
You got children in South Africa dealing with an aids epidemic
You got children just accross the boarder in mexico liveing in cardboard boxes in the middle of a drug war.
These kids actually do have bad lives yet find ways to deal with it and realy do need help.
Emo kids do not know this and chose to bitch and cut themselves because they get grounded or dumped. They have the same problems every other American citizen has to deal with and yet instead of dealing with them in a logical way these faggots start to cut themselves and cry out for attention because they want to be noticed.
What does an emo kid look like?
An emo kid will be dressed mostly in black and will be wearing FISHNETS on his or her arms or legs to hide the self mutalation scars. They grow up to a size of 90 lbs max because they always think they are fat and are insecure about themselves. Most of these apes get hospitalized for anorexia or bolimia because they have the iqs of monkeys. An emo male will have long hair that covers his face and he will be dressed in all black with either studded or rainbow belts around his waste not worn propperly through the belt loops. He will be wearing band shirts that feature bands like "My Chemical Romance", "Dashboard Confessional", "Katy Perry", "All American Rejects", "Blink182", "The get up kids". Emo girls wear these shirts too. Emo females will more than likely have shorter hair than the males and their hair will be groomed into a point at the front of their heads known as a "Dyke spike". All emo kids will try to draw attention to themselves as much as possible.
They are just clueless to the fact that 1 in 10 people world wide can READ and WRITE and 1 in 100 people world wide has a computer and internet access. Yes I admit I am one of those spoiled 1 in 100 people but I admit to it and I admit that my life is good.
What can we do about emo kids.... I have a THREE STAGE PLAN.
1) BAN ALL EMO MUSIC
2) RUN A FULL INVESTIGATION ON EVERY US CITIZEN AND WEED OUT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CAUGHT CUTTING THEMSELVES
3) TAKE ALL THE EMO KIDS THAT WERE FOUND TO BE CUTTERS 100% OUT TO THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD MAKE THEM DIG THEIR OWN GRAVES THEN SHOOT THEM AT POINT BLANK RANGE IN THE FACE... THEN THEY WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT
LOL.....the most disgusting part of all this is that most people that belong to that subculture are actually well off. Maybe not like bill gates rich but they got not one fuckin thing to complain about, when measured against people with "real" problems.
Oh yeah another subculture that is sickening is that Hills, Aspen type culture. Those rich ass spoiled kids complain and make drama for relatively no fuckin reason. And the more they speak, the more you wanna shoot yourself for even sharing a world with people that dumb and oblivious.
Edited by SaRrAceN on 16-01-2010 16:30
I believe that placing our focus on the problems that we perceive Emo-Kids to have is really perpetuating this narcissism in the first place. When we stereotype Emo Kids unfairly, it reinforces their ideas that "people really don't get it."
Bitching, selfishness & overall cluelessness are problems we all face regardless of affiliation.
The point is, focusing on 'what I don't happen to like about this culture or that culture' is feeding into the very problem we profess a desire to solve, while again, further isolating those whom we target.
I believe that placing our focus on the problems that we perceive Emo-Kids to have is really perpetuating this narcissism in the first place. When we stereotype Emo.............
Are you suggesting that people generally respond negatively to them without really trying to understand them and their cultural attributes ?
Well you certainly have a point, however if you want to be fair with that kind of thinking you would also have to treat other cultures with the same openmindedness and there are cultures out there that really dont deserve a place in this world. Take for instance middle east islamic culture which glorifies a level of violence befitting of a long gone era in human history when men believed in strange gods and archaic practices. The core of their belief system makes it easy to produce some of the most vile and oppressive regimes on the planet. Do you think its a good idea to really try to understand this culture ? All we really need to understand is that they will kill you
if you believe something that they dont.
While the emo subculture is not guilty of mass genocides and indescriminate bombings, they are guilty of being very insulting with their narcissim. By complaining and crying and cutting themselves they are giving the impression that their personal problems somehow deserves as much attention as real problems that millions of people all over the world have to face like hunger or living under dangerous political conditions perpetuated by despotic rulers or even rampant poverty. It is downright insulting and almost cruel to say that some personal problem like getting dumped somehow equates to this.
So while i will endorse trying to understand people with a different culture from you, there are some that just dont deserve it.
Edited by SaRrAceN on 16-01-2010 17:04
No- someone critical of emo-lifestyles may have a comprehensive understanding of the culture they criticize. IMO, most people are actually quite patient in dealing with emo-kids & probably nice to a fault, which in itself will perpetuate their narcissism.
Great point man. Excellent point, actually.
Remember this about Islam, and this is an important point: we are barraged with propaganda from the mainstream media on a daily basis in their attempt to equate "Muslims" & "Terror". It has, on a mainstream level, worked as it was intended to.
-Consider this: Shall we call the Salem Witch Trials, The Inquisition, or the Crusades "Radical Christianity?"
-Israel's annexing of the Gaza strip "Radical Judaism?" or "Zionism" as the case may be?
If yes, why? If no, why is "Radical Islam" different?
Honestly, if you look at post WW2 World History, you will see many, many hands reaching for the Middle Eastern oil-spigot, so to speak.
-Iran 1953, overthrow of a democratically elected leader & installation of a brutal dictator.
-Support of Saddam as he gases 1,000,000 ethnic Kurds.
-Bin Laden / Bush family business ties in the Carlyle Group?
-How about when we funded Al Qaeda in 1980s under Reagan to drive out the communist threat?
-It goes on & on, ad infinitum, how we have deliberately fucked with their culture, exploited their markets, and created the beast we now face.
*It IS debatable that we created it, true, but our interventions ARE documented well enough for us to draw our own conclusions.
Yes, honestly I am in complete favor of rectifying this in a non-military manner for a very long list of reasons. Until passive options have been extinguished or the immediate need for action presents itself, I cannot condone violence.
Lincoln, as quoted in American History X:
'We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.'
Sorry if this got too long, but my last thought is this:
Some cultures or people may deserve it, some may not, you are quite right. In my life, however, taking the time to decide 'who deserves what' is coutnerproductive. However, being critical of ideas is something I enjoy doing on a daily basis.
Like, I may hate everything about a person: "He's a self-centered, greedy, egotistical little bitch who talks shit & runs away." What I am actually hating isn't the PERSON, it's not even ALL of the persons ideas. Here, I am attacking the pieces that I don't like exclusively & hopefully salvaging the rest.
Thats a very good point you make. We do sometimes forget that some of the cultures we critisize may have been created or altered knowingly or unknowingly by our actions as you stated with the media demonizing islam while twisting the truth in order to get the world to go along with exploiting their resources.
When considering this it becomes difficult to choose a side where upon one side an extremist culture lies. Even with non-extremist cultures or any other culture for that matter, your point certainly is valid.
I truly believe that if we as people are to reconcile these differences all parties must be willing to listen and with that mindset we can gain from others what we lack in ourselves. But this is a dream, the truth is people like to be heard a lot more than they like to hear and when faced with this type of stubborness all thats left for us to critisize. If for example, someone were to suggest to a proponent of sharia law that there are better ways to deal with thieves than cutting off their hands, chances are that the suggestion would evolve into a conversation and then quickly devolve into heated bickering and possibly further devolve into some sort of physical confrontation.
I think at this point in our history pretty much everyone understands people are reluctant to change their ways or belief system even if the proposed changed makes more sense than the status quo and i also believe this is a result of people fearing a loss of identity so much so that its not worth changing even if the change is a positive one.
With that said, when these emos start to listen to what people actually have to say, they may actually find the answers they need.
lol exploiting there resources?? seriously are people still saying no war for oil? and honestly... wtf are we getting from afghanistan? we are there for their poppy fields!! anyways i think the best way to solve this shit is for everyone to stop giving a fuck so much... who cares what the next guy is doing.. just do what makes you happy as long as it doesn't infringe on someone elses happiness.
i also forgot to mention that i think that emo kids are total douches but it doesn't affect me if they want to cry about their pampered lives and cut themselves... hey i can only hope that one day they'll learn it's down the street, not across the road.
Edited by nihilator on 18-01-2010 04:04
No, SaRrAcen is absolutely correct on that first point, explotation, for a number of reasons. Afghanistan makes up the better portion of Iran's Eastern coast, which is a great way to keep them from running that oil pipeline into Western China they talked about.
Plus, the whole "Client State" (American contractors building the new government in accordance with our wishes.) / Military Outposts (permanent bases), etc.
It's like the "Do You Support the Troops?" Bullshit. It's a question that doesn't mean anything. Of course One would support the troops- they are, after all, comprised of our friends & family.
The critical function of propaganda, such as the question listed above, is that it distracts from the real issue: "Do You Support Our Policies?" That's the question you aren't supposed to talk about.
You're both correct on several accounts. Firstly, the Taliban provides some of the only stability (employment, food, organization of citizens, etc) that nation knows, which is a shame.
Some people are dicks with it- beating women & children, etc. Most of them just go along with it, for lack of a better option. I am obviously opposed to that- if I saw it happening, I'd probably punch the guy in his face & demoralize him in similar ways.
Actually though, the Afghan economy would have crashed completely if not for the Opium crop which is by some estimates 90% of the World's supply. Also true that Opium production has more than doubled since arrival of coalition forces. Much like Vietnam & Laos saw increased Heroin production during our occupation.
Or, in this country, Drug Abuse has tripled under the Nixon/Reagan "War on Drugs" & increased even more under Clinton/Bush expansions thereof.
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It's funny, your last sentence reminds me of a Marilyn Manson interview from after the Columbine Shooting. They asked him, "What would you say to those kids?" Manson said: "I wouldn't say a word. I would sit back and listen to what they had to say.... and that's what no one else did."
Back to Emo Kids, I think it's a very healthy thing to look beyond Mainstream Culture for answers. However, when it becomes a Subculture, it loses much of it's original purpose.
There's a big difference between "Painting my nails black b/c it expresses my rejection of superficial judgements" & "painting my nails black b/c my friends do it.... or I think it looks cool." The music I'll give them a pass on.... everyone else who likes shitty music seems to get a pass. (Country, Radio Rap... people who think Linkin Park is 'heavy', etc.)
There is a certain irony that Emo Kids are all about 'originality' yet all find themselves in the same black clothes seeing the same bands. They all act in accordance with their cultural norms, scared to deviate from what their culture has already accepted.
"There is a certain way to dance, talk, act, dress, treat people & see the world." When you see ANY string of people defining life in the exact same way, they cannot all be doing it for original reasons. At this point, they cross the line into conformity (much like Thugs... do you all need to sag your pants?)
The worst thing about Goths is, it was an idea that a few people came to on their own to represent nonconformity. Conformists took it & ruined it, like everything else they touch. Trust me, when a new 'cool' fad comes around, most will jump the bandwagon & never look back.
Edited by GuitarGosu on 19-01-2010 12:13
FaceMan wrote:
Islam is the only threat to Israel.
All of Americas Middle East wars have been to defend Israel and weaken its enemies.
Israel only survives because of the huge amounts of money and lives America is prepared to put on the line to protect it.
Yes. 99% of US media takes a blatantly pro-Israeli stance on all issues. One such extreme occured a few weeks ago on Larry King Live. Ben Stein accused Ron Paul of "anti-semitism" because he conveniently equates that term, (which is obviously teeming with racist overtones), to "not supporting Israel," which is a political choice.
Israel has been used directly & indirectly as a middle-man for elitist purposes. Take the case of Nicaragua, and the supreme courts ruling in US v. Nicaragua. Basically, you have people down in Nicaragua saying "Fuck you, America... we will build our own system." So, the US began financing guerillas through Israel to perpetuate regional instability, with the goal being Nicaraguan submission to United States imperatives. It was decided that the US acted against international law by subversively financing terroristic organizations.
This has happened repeatedly. Also, a look at the UN voting records shows an extraordinary number of cases where the entirety of the UN votes "Yes" & only the US & Israel vote "No," for example, in most nuclear treaties.
You're quite correct, Face. As recently as one week ago, Democracy Now! reports that another $864 million dollars in weapons & armaments were delivered to Israel to be used, quoting the US Defense Department, "at their disposal." Not a day goes by where I don't see headlines such as "15 Palestinians die from Israeli rockets." Even scarier is the displacement of many thousands of indigenous residents in the Gaza Strip through food blockades & general terror. They even blow up hospitals & schools from time to time... much like when Clinton bombed the largest pharmeutical factory in Sudan in 1998 "which probably led to 10s of thousands of deaths."
These are not Military deaths... we're are speaking of Civilian deaths. In the words of Noam Chomsky, "If the Nuremberg laws were applied then every post-war American president would have been hanged."
Afghanistan is the current home of fundamentalist Islam or it could be said that may be now in west Pakistan.
Its enemy is the Zionist American/Israeli influence that controls the worlds Islamic sacred places.
Saudi Arabia and Egypt are also the enemy because they are Pro America which is Pro Israel.
Iran after the Shah was deposed was poised to invade Kuwait in the 80s and had huge military numbers in the south.
America co-erced Saddam to attack Iran and that stopped what would have been the spread of Fundy Islam through Saudi Arabia and all through the Muslim world. The end of Israel or War.
WHen Saddam and Iran had finished both were too weak and Iran became more Moderate.
Then Saddam became the Threat to Israel.
Until he was finally dealt with.
But he wasnt taken out because a weak Saddam couldnt threaten Israel but would still hold Iran. As Iran now began to Arm up suddenly the old threat was returning.
I think the Plan to finally remove Saddam was about cleaning out Iraq in 6 months and then on to Iran. But America made a huge mess of it. Israel also had a failed adventure into Lebanon. both were terrible failures.
This meant more extreme elements in Iran were able to gain back control. Now Iran Is the threat to Israel but the chance to stop them was Missed.
The Arab world distrust each other because the Zionists have turned them against each other time and time again. The only way to stop Fundementalist Islam is for the state of Israel to end. Its nothing like the Cold War. Eventually there will be one final war. Peace is not possible.
The tactical weakness for Israel is its size.
A successful strike by Iran may weaken Israel enough for the other Arab countries to 'seize the day' and join in.
For Israel the fear is America when faced with an almost dead Israel would turn its back and side with the Muslim countries.
Well, I personally would not say American imperialism/hegemony in the Middle Eastern Theater is a direct result of Israel-
I'd say the opposite-
Israel is (at least partially) a result of American imperialism/hegemony in the Middle East. When you have a client state such as Israel, (in the sense that we arm the shit out of them & use them to do some dirty work), the interests will obviously be mutual to some degree.
You're correct, it's not the same stalemate that was the cold war. Israel is compensating for it's size by quickly expanding, not to mention their intelligence agencies are exceptional compared to many & their military is disproportionately huge, with an ever-growing budget at that. Really, this can be summed up by what you say Face:
"Eventually their will be one final war. Peace is not possible."
At the rate things are going, this is bound to be the end result. However, we don't need to stay on this course, and if people actually stood up for change it wouldn't be that difficult.
It's primarily hypocrisy that keeps us bound on this path. "I want America to get better." Lovely sentiment. However, if I am the CEO of a major health insurance company in America, I'm resisting any improvement to the status quo whatsoever in favor of my profits & cash flow. "They can get their health care if & only if they make me a really rich man." Defense industry, "I want to sell bombs & planes. Who cares if the vast majority of the world's population are against war?" "I work for the banks, who cares if 1.7 million homes were foreclosed on in 2008? It's not coming out of my profit."
In conclusion, many of us have sold our souls for material gain. People need to wake up & realize their is only one thing, just one thing humans require for survival: eachother. Collaborative effort for the sake of humanity will take us much further than any amount of money ever could. Money, fiat currency in particular, is the greatest illusion the world has ever known. Get off the paper chase- anyone can make a million dollars selling snake oil, but only at the cost of everyone else.
I tell you one country that is going to reshape the Middle East over the next few years is Turkey.
Israel and Turkey have had a falling out over Gaza and it looks like the friendship is over. Turkey is being denied joining the EC and this will make it look to the Arab world.
Also Russia is going to build there largest sea base outside of Russia off the coast of Syria. This will mean the Soviet umberella will cover Syria and Lebanon making future attacks there almost impossible for Israel.
Russia is going to build Nuclear Reactors for Turkey too.
The Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Syria is the only sea in the world that is directly adjacent to 3 continents: Europe, Africa, Asia. Strategically they've picked a very active spot, like controlling the middle in BGH .
Interesting that "Russia Today" provides me with more accurate / less biased news than any other major "news" outlet in my own country. In comparison to America these days, Russia strikes me as quite moderate & not the "Evil Empire" McCarthyist propagandists would like us to believe.
Seemingly, nations like Russia & China are patiently positioning themselves to capitalize on the pending 'global financial crisis' while waiting on the inevitable failure of the expansionist 'war on terror.'
I think governments across the world are stunned by the utter lack of interest displayed by the populace. Unpopular wars, tax payer sponsored corporate bonuses, additional restrictions on civil liberties.... none of which we can afford. Yet people do nothing, letting crooks run amok, & actually accept tyranny with a smile for the most part.
Instead of standing there with mouths agape, China is buying up gold & hard money, bad debt, et cetera. Russia is diplomatically schmoozing with other nations, &, as you pointed out, wheeling & dealing- exactly what America should be doing.
In the words of John McCain: "I don't want to trade with them, all they want to trade is burkas. I don't want to fly with them, they like one-way tickets." That's pretty damn bigotted, especially for someone calling themselves a politician. Unfortunately, it's indicative of how alot of people 'feel', & by feel I mean 'conditioned to feel.'
"We aren't shooting PEOPLE, we're shooting Terror. They aren't PEOPLE, they're Terrorists." The CIA often proves themselves to be the real terrorists for those keen enough to see it. "But it's for good reasons!" Ok, but that doesn't change the fact that installing dictators who are genocidal & supporting them through their attrocities is also terroristic.
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Iran is a strange land, where movies such as "The Wrestler" are banned because "it's disrespectful to Islamic culture." Now, who in the Iranian government took the time to watch that piece of shit movie, I don't know- I never saw it anyway.
As for Turkey, I don't know much; but my state has a considerably large Turkish population. Statistically, I believe like 25% of their population smokes cigarettes (or some other high percentage.) I enjoy watching videos by "The Young Turks" on YouTube from time-to-time.
I'd keep my eye on Pakistan as well. Obviously they are armed with nuclear weapons & are perpetually fighting with India over some land. Also we noted that there Democratically elected (female) president Benazir Bhutto was assassinated, what, in 2005?
Israel is certainly a part of the Afghan War for reasons i mentioned earlier but heres a news article from today.
Foreign forces in Afghanistan will use unmanned Israeli drones more extensively in the US-led war, an Israeli paper said, citing the regime's desire to be more involved in the war.
Another Israeli daily, Ha'aretz, wrote in March that Israeli-built drones have been flying in Iraqi and Afghan skies for the last three years.
The Jerusalem Post reported Thursday that Germany will become the fifth country whose troops in Afghanistan will operate Israeli drones as of next week
One of my friends is straight-edge, sings (screams) for grindcore bands & sells grindcore CDs at various shows. He absolutely HATES anything emo.
On that note, he introduced me to a band many years back called Death By Stereo, particularly a song called "Sing Along to Patriotic Punks." They have another song called EMO HOLOCAUST.
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